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Whirled Views 11.3

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Good morning! Were you wondering what happened to me? All I can say is, it’s Hillary Clinton’s fault :-)

Today’s movie quote:  ”That is one nutty hospital.”

27 Comments to “Whirled Views 11.3”

  1. 1. Gravatar by Travis Birkenstock 11.03.07 at 12:18 pm

    That’s a Bill Murray line from Tootsie.

  2. Murray? I would’ve guessed Nicholson from “One Flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest”, but I guess your’s makes more sense. :)

  3. 3. Gravatar by Sawgunner 11.03.07 at 12:32 pm

    I was recently surprised to learn of the Barry McGuire website. I heard the old Mamas and Papas song “Creeque Alley” and the line about “McGuinn and McGuire still getting higher, in LA..” prompted an investigation.
    Barry wrote back!! I was expecting a form letter type email: “thank you for your comments entered on Barry’s website..”
    For a songwriter performer who was sooo at the top of his game in the early 60s to have successfully survived all that followed in that and subsequent decades, and to now be a clear voice for the Gospel, well its Grace at its most Amazing!

  4. 4. Gravatar by Travis Birkenstock 11.03.07 at 12:35 pm

    TJ. It’s the scene where Hoffman’s charactar (Dorothy Michaels) reveals himself to be man. They cut to his roomate (Bill Murray) who is watching the episode on TV live at home. He remarks “That is one nutty hospital”.

    One of the all-time best comedys.

  5. They cut to his roomate (Bill Murray) who is watching the episode on TV live at home.

    Ahh. That clicked it for me (isn’t Murray doing something slobbish — imagine that — like eating a bowl of serial in an ancient bathrobe?). Thanks!

  6. 6. Gravatar by Lynn Vincent 11.03.07 at 12:57 pm

    Travis wins! Tootsie (a perfectly hysterical movie) is correct. Travis, I’m pleased to present you with your cuddly, playful, Emoti-Puppy:

    /’.’\
    ,(_),

    :-)

  7. TESTING, TESTIGN++

    AM I BANNED??

    I CAN NO LONGER COMMENT FROM HOME!

    I THINK DR. NO SAID NO.

    THIS IS A TEST FROM MY NEIGHBOR’S HOUSE.

  8. 8. Gravatar by michelle 11.03.07 at 1:51 pm

    So, is Travis’ new puppy looking at us, or away from us?

    Stephen Arteburne was the speaker at our crisis pregnancy center fund raiser this week and the man was absolutely hilarious. We were crying at our table as he told story after story about his life.

    And then, like the excellent speaker he is, Arteburne turned a corner and told of his own experience when he paid for a girlfriend’s abortion during his freshman year at Baylor.

    Years later he returned to Baylor and talked about the experience for the first time at a campus chapel service. He took responsibility, noting, “I paid for it and went with her.”

    A week or so later, the woman called him–he hadn’t spoken to her in years. “I heard you told our story at Baylor.”

    “Yes, but I didn’t say anything that would connect to you, it was just about me.”

    “I know,” she replied. “But the next time you tell that story I want you to emphasize what you said to me all those years ago. That you would not support me or the baby, that you pressured me to have the abortion and that you washed your hands on both of us.”

    “That was a hard thing to hear after so many years,” Arteburne recounted. “But I’ve since come to know that most woman who have an abortion do so because some male in their life is pressuring them to do so. I’m very sorry.”

    He then returned to jocularity and told about the trial of infertility he and his wife went through for seven years. One July 3, he spoke at a large charasmatic gathering–3000 people–in Atlanta. After the service, a woman approached him and said, “The Lord is going to give you a baby.”

    He demurred. “We’ve been dealing with infertility for a long time–”

    “I don’t care. I’m just giving you the message.”

    The next day, a friend approached the Arteburnes–they knew a teenager who wanted to make an adoption plan for her child. And the Arteburnes got a baby that Christmas day.

    A wonderful evening.

  9. 9. Gravatar by Travis Birkenstock 11.03.07 at 2:20 pm

    I just got back from walking the new pup. He’s a total chick magnet! Women stopping me in the park wanting to pet and play with him. I assume it’s a boy pup - but frankly I couldn’t tell if that comma was a foot or a , um well, you know…

    :-)

    Sawgunner - I heard Barry McGuire singing “Eve of Destruction” on XM Radio last night. One of the great protest songs of the 60s. I was actually thinking - wonder what happened to him?

    Michelle - I went to a pregnancy center fundraiser dinner this week too! It was a very nice evening. At times the speakers comments were a little too political/religious for my taste, but that goes with the territory and I expected it.

    Yes, pro-choice, agnostics like Travis Birkenstock actually support the work of the local pregnancy centers. They do good work.

  10. 10. Gravatar by Travis Birkenstock 11.03.07 at 2:33 pm

    Just got back from walking my new puppy. He’s a total chick magnet! Women kept stopping me in the park wanting to pet him. “Ohhh, look at the cute puppy!”. Judging by that comma, I assume he’s a male. Or maybe that comma was supposed to be his foot? ;-)

    Sawgunner - I heard Barry McGuire’s “Eve of Destruction” on XM radio just last night. One of the great protest songs of the 60s. Such a great voice. Oddly, I was thinking to myself - wonder what happened to Barry McGuire?

    Michelle - I went to a pregnancy center fund-raiser dinner this week too! It was very nice evening. At times the speaker was a little too political/religious, but I sort of expected that. No big deal.

    Yes, even a pro-choice, agnostic like Travis Birkenstock supports the local pregnancy center. They do good work.

  11. 11. Gravatar by Peter L 11.03.07 at 3:24 pm

    I used to like Barry McGuire, even his Christian music. However, I really liked the group he discovered and introduced to the music world: the 2nd Chapter of Acts (the Ward siblings). They were the best 70s Christian rock band bar none. I remember when they came to our church in 1977, the pastor thought no one would come. We squeezed around 2000 people into a building that had seating for 1400, with a lot of room for folding chairs in back. Since I was in the youth choir, and we had practice before the concert, we got in early and had choice seats. I saved the second row for my friends (it was a free concert). Wonderful experience.

  12. Oh Michelle it is too early in the day for me to be sitting at my kitchen table crying. What a wonderful story.

  13. 13. Gravatar by Travis Birkenstock 11.03.07 at 6:41 pm

    Yay Navy! Victory over Notre Dame for the 1st time in 43 years! Wooohooo!! Congrats to the midshipmen.

  14. Go Navy. Beat Army.
    Roger Stauback was the quarterback last time that happened.
    LSU is beating Alabama.

  15. Friends,

    I’ve shared research on the religious views of America’s Founders here but shared little on Hamilton. My research shows that he had a born again experience in the early 1800s after his son was killed in a duel but was not an orthodox Christian during the time in which he did his principle work founding America. There is some room for doubt (because of the vague terms he systematically used when speaking of God). Like Jefferson, Franklin, Adams, Madison, Washington, and others, Hamilton was till shortly before he died a “theistic rationalist,” not a Christian.

    Unless you think an orthodox Christian would say something like the following. In a letter to Anthony Wayne July 6, 1780, Hamilton discusses a military chaplain and notes:

    “He is just what I should like for a military parson except that he does not whore or drink. He will fight, and he will not insist upon your going to heaven whether you will or not.”

    http://jonrowe.blogspot.com/2007/11/was-alexander-hamilton-christian.html

  16. Scientists report that the annual “hour shower” was a week late but billions of extra hours landed on earth anyway, carried by swallows from Capistrano and swallowtail butterflies from Pacific Grove, California

    (Boring but short personal story: my aunt lived in Pacific Grove and I saw the butterfly migration while visiting her.)

    Unfortunately, as foretold in the Bible, in half a year or so, the Hour of Rapture will take the hours away again.

    This is good joke, if I do say so myself. If you didn’t laugh, you will be doomed to agnostic non-hell.

  17. 17. Gravatar by mmacmurray 11.04.07 at 5:25 pm

    Mumsee, if you’re around today, how are you? I hope you and the rest of the family are over the colds, viruses, etc. I’ve been praying for you.

  18. 18. Gravatar by Mr_Meaner 11.04.07 at 6:36 pm

    I’m not sure I understand the difference between theistic rationalism and Chistianity.
    First, there is no such thing as “orthodox Christianity”. Aside a few basic core tenets, we are all over the place as far as how we fill in the details.
    Whether or not some number of the founding fathers were deist, theist, atheist, whatever, should make no difference in interpreting our founding text(s).
    The fact is, government can not limit your right to practice religion, as long as your practice doesn’t involve breaking another law.
    What is it that concerns you in this area?
    Are we talking about funding of religious involvment in education? The answer to that is…Get the federal govt. out of the education business all together. Let the states exercise their legal authority. We have 50 various charters and constitutions that are better suited to deal with these kinds of issues.
    I’d prefer better access to the “decision-makers” who directly effect how I’m able to live my life. For me, that is easier done in Litlle Rock, Ar. than Washington DC.

  19. 19. Gravatar by Mr_Meaner 11.04.07 at 6:38 pm

    Sorry,
    That was to Jon Rowe.

  20. Mr Meaner: Jon Rowe has his own definitions for terms he throws about (Universalist, Christian, Theist), so it’s really pointless trying to debate with him.

    Simply let him continue to address us as “Friends,” and let us continue to ignore his revisionist history of the founding of America.

  21. 21. Gravatar by Xion 11.04.07 at 9:18 pm

    There is a new movie called Golden Compassthat World should investigate.

    “The Golden Compass, a fantasy film starring Nicole Kidman that is scheduled to be released into theaters on 7 December 2007, has been drawing fire from concerned Christians. The film is based on Northern Lights (released in the U.S. as The Golden Compass), the first offering in Philip Pullman’s His Dark Materials trilogy of children’s books, a series that follows the adventures of a streetwise girl who travels
    through multiple worlds populated by witches, armor-plated bears, and sinister ecclesiastical assassins to defeat the oppressive forces of a senile God.”

  22. Jeff,

    LOL. Your response shows you a poor theologian. I most certain do not have my “own” definitions in these areas. A Universalist is someone who disbelieves in eternal damnation. A syncretic universalist is someone who believes most or all world religions are valid ways to God. A theist is someone who believes in an active personal God and an “orthodox Christian” is someone who holds to traditional creeds (i.e. the Nicene Creed) which historically have defined its orthodoxy. Every term I define should be consistent with what your Calvinist Church teaches. Tell your minister I’d be glad to guest lecture.

    Mr. Meaner,

    Though I agree with much of what you write about the proper relationship between religion and government, and though I don’t know your personal theology, let me assert that most evangelicals (and Catholics) who read these threads take their “Christian” faith far more seriously than you would define it. There is indeed such a thing as “orthodox Christianity.” If you want to learn about it, I’d suggest you start with the Nicene Creed.

  23. 23. Gravatar by mumsee 11.04.07 at 10:31 pm

    Mmacmurray,

    Thank you, we need it. Though we have taken a complete turn in behaviour, bordering on helpful, hubby and I (still coughing and fighting bronchitis though his tends toward pneumonia) we are absolutely exhausted. Several nights of staying up all night in shifts to keep things under control. No more running away or demolition.

    Today was pleasant, after a morning of worship and fellowship with the body of believers, we went to some friends with some others where we ate a good lunch and the kids rode horses all afternoon and split and stacked wood with the men. It was very relaxing. We continue to be in definite need of prayer as we try to make inroads into very broken emotions and minds.

    Thank you so much for asking, it is a great encouragement to this depleted old woman.

  24. I read several of those books Xion. I don’t know if I finished them or not since the local library only had a couple of them, and I would have had to get the rest of them through inter-library loan.

    I thought it was a well written story, but found the basic thesis to be distressing. Qwerty would love it though.

    My take on the movies and the controversy is that the publicity generated will make the movie much more successful than if it is ignored. It will be the “Last Temptation” or the “Passion” scenario all over again.

  25. 25. Gravatar by Anlir 11.04.07 at 11:46 pm

    Xion,

    Thanks for the heads-up on “The Golden Compass”. I will add it to my list of movies to see. Although I have no real like of Nicole Kidman, and I positively detest Dakota Fanning, I’ve seen the previews and it really looks intriguing. Whenever there is controversy it makes me want to see a movie to see what all the fuss is about. I’m sure I’ll review it on here if I see it.

    Well, it’s back to work in the a.m. I already know I have 150 e-mails waiting on me. Yikes!

  26. 26. Gravatar by mmacmurray 11.05.07 at 9:42 am

    Mumsee, I’m glad yesterday was a pleasant day and that the behavior is improved. I will pray for healing for you and your husband and continue to pray for strength and wisdom for you as you work with these hurting children. God bless.

  27. 27. Gravatar by Xion 11.05.07 at 9:50 am

    Thanks Anlir. Let us know what you think so we won’t have to watch it.

    You are right Make it Man. Most anti-Christian movies would be horrible flops if it weren’t for the Christian backlash.

    However, while most movies that mention Christianity show it in a negative light. The interesting thing about the Golden Compass is that it was specifically designed to turn children away from God.

    I mention it not to get all worked up over. I think that these attacks from without are mild compared to the attacks from within. Far worse damage is done by false Christians (think TV preachers - though not all).

    I actually find these attacks enjoyable for some reason. There is nothing I love reading more than scholars attacking Jesus and how he handled it. The Bible is here to stay. Attacks just make life interesting. That’s why I love WMB! 8-)