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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;The Kindergarchy&#8221;</title>
	<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/06/06/the-kindergarchy/</link>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 05:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: adios</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/06/06/the-kindergarchy/#comment-309361</link>
		<dc:creator>adios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 15:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Janedoe and Gdsuffern,

I said up front it was a broad brush. Probably the same one used many homeschoolers who bash public schools;)

We have, btw, with our brood of seven, experienced public, private and home school. They ALL have their pros and cons and every family should decide what is best for their children without thinking their way is best for other people's children.

The topic is kindergarchy. I included home school where I did because it is a huge problem in our church. There was another church near us that was all home school families and sort of imploded due to legalism. Many of those now attend our church and our children's and youth ministries have been overwhelmed with how these families demand that we cater to their child's individual needs (I did not say special). What has emerged as a commonality among them all is how child-centered each family had become. 

This from the article sums it up well, “Under Kindergarchy, no effort on behalf of one’s children’s schooling is too extensive, no expense too great, no sacrifice in time and energy on the part of parents too exacting." 

Sure these home schoolers sacrifice for their children, but they want others to as well. And it is all about their children, everyone else's children are not their problem. Way to teach them how to live in community. 

broad brush, specific families, I know some home schoolers thrive without their children's education ruling their life or being obnoxious to others. We spent Friday with just such a family and it filled our souls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janedoe and Gdsuffern,</p>
<p>I said up front it was a broad brush. Probably the same one used many homeschoolers who bash public schools;)</p>
<p>We have, btw, with our brood of seven, experienced public, private and home school. They ALL have their pros and cons and every family should decide what is best for their children without thinking their way is best for other people&#8217;s children.</p>
<p>The topic is kindergarchy. I included home school where I did because it is a huge problem in our church. There was another church near us that was all home school families and sort of imploded due to legalism. Many of those now attend our church and our children&#8217;s and youth ministries have been overwhelmed with how these families demand that we cater to their child&#8217;s individual needs (I did not say special). What has emerged as a commonality among them all is how child-centered each family had become. </p>
<p>This from the article sums it up well, “Under Kindergarchy, no effort on behalf of one’s children’s schooling is too extensive, no expense too great, no sacrifice in time and energy on the part of parents too exacting.&#8221; </p>
<p>Sure these home schoolers sacrifice for their children, but they want others to as well. And it is all about their children, everyone else&#8217;s children are not their problem. Way to teach them how to live in community. </p>
<p>broad brush, specific families, I know some home schoolers thrive without their children&#8217;s education ruling their life or being obnoxious to others. We spent Friday with just such a family and it filled our souls.</p>
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		<title>By: JaneDoe</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/06/06/the-kindergarchy/#comment-309313</link>
		<dc:creator>JaneDoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 01:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/06/06/the-kindergarchy/#comment-309313</guid>
		<description>GDSUFFERN #13 &#38; #14 Thank you. Go home schoolers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GDSUFFERN #13 &amp; #14 Thank you. Go home schoolers!</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl D.</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/06/06/the-kindergarchy/#comment-309198</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/06/06/the-kindergarchy/#comment-309198</guid>
		<description>#14, that's what I always planned to do with kids if I had any--public school (or private if we could afford it), supplemented at home with things like research projects and field trips in each kid's line of interest. 

For instance, when I was a kid (seventh grade) my science teacher assigned us to write a report on our favorite animal. I was excited about the assignment, but then for some reason he cancelled it. (I'd chosen raccoons.) If my parents had assigned a research report about raccoons (knowing already that it was an interest), and had done things to make it fun--a trip to a place where I'd probably see one, an interview with a scientist who studies them, a book about them to help with the report, maybe a roll of film to take pictures to include in my report--it would have thrilled me. Or a chance to talk with collie breeders and write up an illustrated report about caring for a dog with a litter of puppies--I'd have found it fascinating. Other kids like railroads, rockets, minerals, you name it--combine a family vacation with such field trips, and you have kids who love learning. Not all children would enjoy reports, but some would enjoy putting together a taped interview or a video or a poster.

And before anyone says, "You don't have kids, so shut up about what you'd do if you had kids," I think that adults should think and plan ahead for future contingencies. If nothing else, it helps when people are dating if both partners have &lt;i&gt;thought about&lt;/i&gt; such issues as whether they'd homeschool, spank, let their kids watch network TV.... So I make no apologies that I've thought a lot about how I'd rear children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#14, that&#8217;s what I always planned to do with kids if I had any&#8211;public school (or private if we could afford it), supplemented at home with things like research projects and field trips in each kid&#8217;s line of interest. </p>
<p>For instance, when I was a kid (seventh grade) my science teacher assigned us to write a report on our favorite animal. I was excited about the assignment, but then for some reason he cancelled it. (I&#8217;d chosen raccoons.) If my parents had assigned a research report about raccoons (knowing already that it was an interest), and had done things to make it fun&#8211;a trip to a place where I&#8217;d probably see one, an interview with a scientist who studies them, a book about them to help with the report, maybe a roll of film to take pictures to include in my report&#8211;it would have thrilled me. Or a chance to talk with collie breeders and write up an illustrated report about caring for a dog with a litter of puppies&#8211;I&#8217;d have found it fascinating. Other kids like railroads, rockets, minerals, you name it&#8211;combine a family vacation with such field trips, and you have kids who love learning. Not all children would enjoy reports, but some would enjoy putting together a taped interview or a video or a poster.</p>
<p>And before anyone says, &#8220;You don&#8217;t have kids, so shut up about what you&#8217;d do if you had kids,&#8221; I think that adults should think and plan ahead for future contingencies. If nothing else, it helps when people are dating if both partners have <i>thought about</i> such issues as whether they&#8217;d homeschool, spank, let their kids watch network TV&#8230;. So I make no apologies that I&#8217;ve thought a lot about how I&#8217;d rear children.</p>
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		<title>By: gdsuffern</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/06/06/the-kindergarchy/#comment-309177</link>
		<dc:creator>gdsuffern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 10:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/06/06/the-kindergarchy/#comment-309177</guid>
		<description>Oh, another thing, poor who must work and put their kids in public school can still follow up afterward with supplemental lessons and excellent literature/activities geared for homeschooling.  Not to overload the systems of kids, but, a parent who cannot homeschool can catechize and/or build a family lesson plan for after-school work, or even weekend instruction to make up for deficits in public ed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, another thing, poor who must work and put their kids in public school can still follow up afterward with supplemental lessons and excellent literature/activities geared for homeschooling.  Not to overload the systems of kids, but, a parent who cannot homeschool can catechize and/or build a family lesson plan for after-school work, or even weekend instruction to make up for deficits in public ed.</p>
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		<title>By: gdsuffern</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/06/06/the-kindergarchy/#comment-309176</link>
		<dc:creator>gdsuffern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 10:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/06/06/the-kindergarchy/#comment-309176</guid>
		<description>Adios (sigh.) this was my point.  The author (read the article) has included many excellent things in with many wretched things.  Talk about broad-brushing!  A parent teaching a child French is lumped in with overspending parents buying the wireless variety for their kids, etc.  To bring homeschool in the mix is part of the broad brushing effect I'm talking about.  There are plenty of large  boomer families on shoe-string budgets who chose to homeschool, as well as wealthy families who do thrust their kids in school and choose to work (both) full-time.  Most homeschool families I know are humble and hard working, making the HARDER choice to stay at home with kids.  This is a privilege but NOT a luxury...not to make this an argument for homeschooling or one parent staying at home. The decision to homeschool, however, is often one of sacrifice of comfort in order to nail an indictment on the door of public education and increasingly socialist government ideology.  
Yep, we're poor and we're homeschoolin'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adios (sigh.) this was my point.  The author (read the article) has included many excellent things in with many wretched things.  Talk about broad-brushing!  A parent teaching a child French is lumped in with overspending parents buying the wireless variety for their kids, etc.  To bring homeschool in the mix is part of the broad brushing effect I&#8217;m talking about.  There are plenty of large  boomer families on shoe-string budgets who chose to homeschool, as well as wealthy families who do thrust their kids in school and choose to work (both) full-time.  Most homeschool families I know are humble and hard working, making the HARDER choice to stay at home with kids.  This is a privilege but NOT a luxury&#8230;not to make this an argument for homeschooling or one parent staying at home. The decision to homeschool, however, is often one of sacrifice of comfort in order to nail an indictment on the door of public education and increasingly socialist government ideology.<br />
Yep, we&#8217;re poor and we&#8217;re homeschoolin&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: JaneDoe</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/06/06/the-kindergarchy/#comment-309122</link>
		<dc:creator>JaneDoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 00:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/06/06/the-kindergarchy/#comment-309122</guid>
		<description>Adios #10 "or Boomers who home school who have contributed to a kindergarchy."

Whoa, hold on just a minute. Why do you condemn the home schooler?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adios #10 &#8220;or Boomers who home school who have contributed to a kindergarchy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Whoa, hold on just a minute. Why do you condemn the home schooler?</p>
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		<title>By: Amphipolis</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/06/06/the-kindergarchy/#comment-309035</link>
		<dc:creator>Amphipolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 20:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't see it.

People don't even think about having children today until they are in their upper 20s. Then, with a two-parent income, the children are in day care - sometimes from the second week. Then off to public school - little financial sacrifice. Also, they have fewer children. This is the norm. People generally spend less time and money on children today. The child-centered hype is just a story they tell themselves.

Earlier generations put in less time? What a crock. Oh, I get it - he doesn't count the stay-at-home mom's time! Yeah, I can see how they would feel like they give all their time to their children when their two careers' demands are ignored. They probably have a family meal once a week. Question - how much time do their children spend alone?

&lt;i&gt;Each child must have a vast arsenal of toys&lt;/i&gt; because mommy and daddy feel bad that they don't spend much time with them and so they buy their affection? Or are they just too wimpy to say no and blame it on the kid?

&lt;i&gt;The Grubman story shows&lt;/i&gt; how the author chooses examples that are far, far from the norm.

What I hear is a whining parent who doesn't have the energy or interest that previous generations did. I hope the rest of the book is better than these quotes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see it.</p>
<p>People don&#8217;t even think about having children today until they are in their upper 20s. Then, with a two-parent income, the children are in day care - sometimes from the second week. Then off to public school - little financial sacrifice. Also, they have fewer children. This is the norm. People generally spend less time and money on children today. The child-centered hype is just a story they tell themselves.</p>
<p>Earlier generations put in less time? What a crock. Oh, I get it - he doesn&#8217;t count the stay-at-home mom&#8217;s time! Yeah, I can see how they would feel like they give all their time to their children when their two careers&#8217; demands are ignored. They probably have a family meal once a week. Question - how much time do their children spend alone?</p>
<p><i>Each child must have a vast arsenal of toys</i> because mommy and daddy feel bad that they don&#8217;t spend much time with them and so they buy their affection? Or are they just too wimpy to say no and blame it on the kid?</p>
<p><i>The Grubman story shows</i> how the author chooses examples that are far, far from the norm.</p>
<p>What I hear is a whining parent who doesn&#8217;t have the energy or interest that previous generations did. I hope the rest of the book is better than these quotes.</p>
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		<title>By: adios</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/06/06/the-kindergarchy/#comment-309011</link>
		<dc:creator>adios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since we are brushing so broadly and condemning whole generations, it is just the rich Boomers, or Boomers with only 2.5 kids, or Boomers who home school who have contributed to a kindergarchy.

The poor, those with large families, single parents do not have the luxury to have child-centered families. So we need a Boomer sub-set.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since we are brushing so broadly and condemning whole generations, it is just the rich Boomers, or Boomers with only 2.5 kids, or Boomers who home school who have contributed to a kindergarchy.</p>
<p>The poor, those with large families, single parents do not have the luxury to have child-centered families. So we need a Boomer sub-set.</p>
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		<title>By: adios</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/06/06/the-kindergarchy/#comment-309009</link>
		<dc:creator>adios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the greatest generation who raised the Boomers is to blame, obviously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the greatest generation who raised the Boomers is to blame, obviously.</p>
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		<title>By: llama</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/06/06/the-kindergarchy/#comment-309005</link>
		<dc:creator>llama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>XION,

Not only did you stay away from home until night fall, if you got in any trouble while you out of their sight, your parents knew how to take out their anger over your stupidity on you.

Baby boomers are woosies and overprotective when it comes to kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>XION,</p>
<p>Not only did you stay away from home until night fall, if you got in any trouble while you out of their sight, your parents knew how to take out their anger over your stupidity on you.</p>
<p>Baby boomers are woosies and overprotective when it comes to kids.</p>
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