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	<title>Comments on: Gore vs. Faulkner</title>
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		<title>By: Tickletext</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/10/gore-vs-faulkner/#comment-250701</link>
		<dc:creator>Tickletext</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Gore maintains we can change ourselves and will the fate of nature itself."

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Gore maintains we can change ourselves and will the fate of nature itself.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/10/gore-vs-faulkner/#comment-250100</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/10/gore-vs-faulkner/#comment-250100</guid>
		<description>Oh my, here are some things that are wrong here. 

[1] Every skilled high school English teacher should be telling their students that when writing a "compare and contrast," they should not only say how they are similar and different but also tell the reader why those similarities and difference are significant.  In other words, we should know why it is particularly appropriate, useful, or meaningful to compare Gore to Faulkner. Are the two emblematic of their times, issues, communities? Those are the compare and contasts 
that are awesome. 

[2] Richard Lindzen is an oil company shill who is rather fortunate to have tenure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my, here are some things that are wrong here. </p>
<p>[1] Every skilled high school English teacher should be telling their students that when writing a &#8220;compare and contrast,&#8221; they should not only say how they are similar and different but also tell the reader why those similarities and difference are significant.  In other words, we should know why it is particularly appropriate, useful, or meaningful to compare Gore to Faulkner. Are the two emblematic of their times, issues, communities? Those are the compare and contasts<br />
that are awesome. </p>
<p>[2] Richard Lindzen is an oil company shill who is rather fortunate to have tenure.</p>
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		<title>By: Scroop Moth</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/10/gore-vs-faulkner/#comment-250093</link>
		<dc:creator>Scroop Moth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/10/gore-vs-faulkner/#comment-250093</guid>
		<description>Martin Peretz, a fan of  George Bush, still wants Al Gore to run for President, the office he and the nation were "cheated" out of in 2000, if you can get your mind around that.   Peretz finds Gore "exhilarating."  Peretz attended the Nobel ceremony and writes in the TNR that "Gore . . . seems to have touched the Europeans . . . like no one since Dwight Eisenhower and, perhaps, further back to FDR."  Peretz starts out with this:

"Al Gore may have given one of the finest speeches of his career.  It had poetic resonance but was rooted in real science.  It was politically visionary but was animated by an, alas, secure sense of climatic disaster.  It was quite plain-spoken about the economic realities that made global warming so ordinary but argued the hope that suicidal habits were good for no one, not even the greatest suicidalists, China and, most significantly, the United States. "</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin Peretz, a fan of  George Bush, still wants Al Gore to run for President, the office he and the nation were &#8220;cheated&#8221; out of in 2000, if you can get your mind around that.   Peretz finds Gore &#8220;exhilarating.&#8221;  Peretz attended the Nobel ceremony and writes in the TNR that &#8220;Gore . . . seems to have touched the Europeans . . . like no one since Dwight Eisenhower and, perhaps, further back to FDR.&#8221;  Peretz starts out with this:</p>
<p>&#8220;Al Gore may have given one of the finest speeches of his career.  It had poetic resonance but was rooted in real science.  It was politically visionary but was animated by an, alas, secure sense of climatic disaster.  It was quite plain-spoken about the economic realities that made global warming so ordinary but argued the hope that suicidal habits were good for no one, not even the greatest suicidalists, China and, most significantly, the United States. &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Scroop Moth</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/10/gore-vs-faulkner/#comment-249970</link>
		<dc:creator>Scroop Moth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/10/gore-vs-faulkner/#comment-249970</guid>
		<description>Faulkner didn't "deal" with the problem of nuclear war. He got the prize for literature. His rhetoric denigrated contemporary authors while avoiding his own racism. I don't think Faulkner's negroes could consider his treatment of them to be awesomely optimistic. Faulkner talked about feeling better about ourselves, not about our capacity to change the future.  Gore "deals" with global warming. He got the prize for peace for laying the foundations for change.  Faulkner said humans are capable of struggle and sacrifice.  Gore took Faulkner up on that, and said it's time.  Harrison ignores the comparison and goes for a phony contrast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Faulkner didn&#8217;t &#8220;deal&#8221; with the problem of nuclear war. He got the prize for literature. His rhetoric denigrated contemporary authors while avoiding his own racism. I don&#8217;t think Faulkner&#8217;s negroes could consider his treatment of them to be awesomely optimistic. Faulkner talked about feeling better about ourselves, not about our capacity to change the future.  Gore &#8220;deals&#8221; with global warming. He got the prize for peace for laying the foundations for change.  Faulkner said humans are capable of struggle and sacrifice.  Gore took Faulkner up on that, and said it&#8217;s time.  Harrison ignores the comparison and goes for a phony contrast.</p>
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		<title>By: Harrison Scott Key</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/10/gore-vs-faulkner/#comment-249902</link>
		<dc:creator>Harrison Scott Key</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/10/gore-vs-faulkner/#comment-249902</guid>
		<description>My point in the post was to point out how both Gore and Faulkner dealt with The Big Problems of Civilization in their speeches, but how Faulkner's speech, even when dealing with a far more immediate problem (nuclear war), was far more optimistic and inspiring and elevating than Gore's speech.  Gore, like most of the climate enthusiasts, used the rhetoric of "scare tactics," of pessimism - and thus, his remarks were not inspiring or optimistic.  It was a compare and contrast.  And it was awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point in the post was to point out how both Gore and Faulkner dealt with The Big Problems of Civilization in their speeches, but how Faulkner&#8217;s speech, even when dealing with a far more immediate problem (nuclear war), was far more optimistic and inspiring and elevating than Gore&#8217;s speech.  Gore, like most of the climate enthusiasts, used the rhetoric of &#8220;scare tactics,&#8221; of pessimism - and thus, his remarks were not inspiring or optimistic.  It was a compare and contrast.  And it was awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: Scroop Moth</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/10/gore-vs-faulkner/#comment-249783</link>
		<dc:creator>Scroop Moth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 01:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/10/gore-vs-faulkner/#comment-249783</guid>
		<description>Algore is a Sutherner who knows something about causes and defeats, but is not bound by fate like a character in Yoknapatawpnah County.  Algore made for himself a purpose which Faulkner denied to his characters (especially Black characters).   Gore maintains we can change ourselves and will the fate of nature itself.  Algore is the algorithm by which which can impliment a better future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Algore is a Sutherner who knows something about causes and defeats, but is not bound by fate like a character in Yoknapatawpnah County.  Algore made for himself a purpose which Faulkner denied to his characters (especially Black characters).   Gore maintains we can change ourselves and will the fate of nature itself.  Algore is the algorithm by which which can impliment a better future.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Leavitt</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/10/gore-vs-faulkner/#comment-249776</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Leavitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 01:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/10/gore-vs-faulkner/#comment-249776</guid>
		<description>Faulkner wrote for the ages, in that he understood  both the hope and tragedy of men. He with the Snopes of the world understood the reality of life; yet, he wrote:

&lt;i&gt;There are no longer problems of the spirit. There is only one question: When will I be blown up? Because of this, the young man or woman writing today has forgotten the problems of the human heart in conflict with itself which alone can make good writing because only that is worth writing about, worth the agony and the sweat. He must learn them again. He must teach himself that the basest of all things is to be afraid: and, teaching himself that, forget it forever, leaving no room in his workshop for anything but the old verities and truths of the heart, the universal truths lacking which any story is ephemeral and doomed--love and honor and pity and pride and compassion and sacrifice. Until he does so, he labors under a curse. He writes not of love but of lust, of defeats in which nobody loses anything of value, and victories without hope and worst of all, without pity or compassion. His griefs grieve on no universal bones, leaving no scars. He writes not of the heart but of the glands.&lt;/i&gt;

Gore, one of the more shallow alumni of Harvard, writes mostly from the politically correct glands with a dubious thesis that is questioned by eminent scientists, most especially Richard Lindzen, professor emeritus of atmospheric science at M.I.T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Faulkner wrote for the ages, in that he understood  both the hope and tragedy of men. He with the Snopes of the world understood the reality of life; yet, he wrote:</p>
<p><i>There are no longer problems of the spirit. There is only one question: When will I be blown up? Because of this, the young man or woman writing today has forgotten the problems of the human heart in conflict with itself which alone can make good writing because only that is worth writing about, worth the agony and the sweat. He must learn them again. He must teach himself that the basest of all things is to be afraid: and, teaching himself that, forget it forever, leaving no room in his workshop for anything but the old verities and truths of the heart, the universal truths lacking which any story is ephemeral and doomed&#8211;love and honor and pity and pride and compassion and sacrifice. Until he does so, he labors under a curse. He writes not of love but of lust, of defeats in which nobody loses anything of value, and victories without hope and worst of all, without pity or compassion. His griefs grieve on no universal bones, leaving no scars. He writes not of the heart but of the glands.</i></p>
<p>Gore, one of the more shallow alumni of Harvard, writes mostly from the politically correct glands with a dubious thesis that is questioned by eminent scientists, most especially Richard Lindzen, professor emeritus of atmospheric science at M.I.T.</p>
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		<title>By: David L.</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/10/gore-vs-faulkner/#comment-249759</link>
		<dc:creator>David L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 01:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/10/gore-vs-faulkner/#comment-249759</guid>
		<description>To see these two names even mentioned in the same sentence gives me a bad case of indigestion. The only reason Gore should be referred to in the context of any Nobel Prize is to demonstrate how pathetically meaningless the prize has become. It's handed out these days for little more than strident liberalism. Faulkner's someone to take seriously. Who's Algore?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To see these two names even mentioned in the same sentence gives me a bad case of indigestion. The only reason Gore should be referred to in the context of any Nobel Prize is to demonstrate how pathetically meaningless the prize has become. It&#8217;s handed out these days for little more than strident liberalism. Faulkner&#8217;s someone to take seriously. Who&#8217;s Algore?</p>
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		<title>By: Scroop Moth</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/10/gore-vs-faulkner/#comment-249731</link>
		<dc:creator>Scroop Moth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/10/gore-vs-faulkner/#comment-249731</guid>
		<description>Harrison won't tell you his simple point, because it's nothing more than a lazy potshot. The object of his antipathy is beneath him.  Harrison's agenda is plain: Christian resentment over a cultural critique that comes out of left field and suggests that humanity needs to make a choice about something besides whether to accept Jesus as Lord and Savior.  A humanist who says "Choose life!" must be crushed like a snake in the garden who says "Eat!"

It was stupid of Harrison to write as though Gore could make a reference to "mutually assured destruction" without having learned anything from his predecessor's Nobel speech about a previous threat to survival.  The only thing Gore expressed any fear about was that his words would fail to "match this moment."  

Faulkner would have applauded the line:  "But there is hopeful news as well: we have the ability to solve this crisis and avoid the worst - though not all - of its consequences, if we act boldly, decisively and quickly."  

Faulkner celebrated endurance, not passivity.  Faulkner and Gore had a shared theme of work, struggle, and survival.  Neither offers comforting assurances that we can expect "to be redeemed," in Harrison's words.  Harrison's belief that Providence will do for us what we will not do for ourselves is profoundly pessimistic about man's capacity to prevail, let alone endure.  It certainly was not a belief that Faulkner peddled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harrison won&#8217;t tell you his simple point, because it&#8217;s nothing more than a lazy potshot. The object of his antipathy is beneath him.  Harrison&#8217;s agenda is plain: Christian resentment over a cultural critique that comes out of left field and suggests that humanity needs to make a choice about something besides whether to accept Jesus as Lord and Savior.  A humanist who says &#8220;Choose life!&#8221; must be crushed like a snake in the garden who says &#8220;Eat!&#8221;</p>
<p>It was stupid of Harrison to write as though Gore could make a reference to &#8220;mutually assured destruction&#8221; without having learned anything from his predecessor&#8217;s Nobel speech about a previous threat to survival.  The only thing Gore expressed any fear about was that his words would fail to &#8220;match this moment.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Faulkner would have applauded the line:  &#8220;But there is hopeful news as well: we have the ability to solve this crisis and avoid the worst - though not all - of its consequences, if we act boldly, decisively and quickly.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Faulkner celebrated endurance, not passivity.  Faulkner and Gore had a shared theme of work, struggle, and survival.  Neither offers comforting assurances that we can expect &#8220;to be redeemed,&#8221; in Harrison&#8217;s words.  Harrison&#8217;s belief that Providence will do for us what we will not do for ourselves is profoundly pessimistic about man&#8217;s capacity to prevail, let alone endure.  It certainly was not a belief that Faulkner peddled.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://www.worldontheweb.com/2007/12/10/gore-vs-faulkner/#comment-249697</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your fair game for criticism, Harrison.  

Don't worry though, even if you can't tell me what "simple point" Graceland alludes to in post 7, I'm sure you'll manage to turn this into a commentary about how the world abuses writers. The trade off is more than fair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your fair game for criticism, Harrison.  </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry though, even if you can&#8217;t tell me what &#8220;simple point&#8221; Graceland alludes to in post 7, I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll manage to turn this into a commentary about how the world abuses writers. The trade off is more than fair.</p>
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